What STANDers feel about Sones

To start off, I want to clarify: I have all of SNSD's albums on my iTunes. I know 4 of their dances, and I would like to learn more of them. I think their songs are catchy and frequently listen to them. I think Seohyun is gorgeous and sweet, Hyoyeon is pretty and an amazing dancer, and Yuri has the best body I've ever seen.

I, however, am an anti of SNSD. I am also part of STAND.

First, let me tell you why I am part of STAND. I go there because, like any sane person, when I want to talk about something, I go where other people are talking about it. I wouldn't go into a Justin Bieber forum talking about KPOP. I wouldn't go into a Twilight forum talking about Harry Potter. And I wouldn't go into Soshified talking about what I dislike about SNSD and Sones. So I go to STAND, where I know I won't piss anyone off, and I know there won't be anyone to piss me off. Simple, harmless, therapeutic venting.

Now, let me tell you why I'm an anti of SNSD. Actually, let me link you to it: Click for a great article.

Now, I understand that other girl groups act sexy while pretending not to be. The thing is that yes, I do have the slightest of problems with that concept as a whole. But it's not JUST the concept that annoys me. What really brings it home are the fans that try to act like that's not the case. It's YOU, Sones, that make me disappointed in SNSD.

Have any of you ever stopped to realize that every single that SNSD's come out with has had a concept associated with a fetish? "Into the New World" was schoolgirls (based off the lives' outfits, which were school-looking uniforms). "Girls' Generation" and "Kissing You" were young girls. "Gee" was dolls. (Yes, dolls are a fetish. Sex dolls, anyone?) "Genie" was naval officers. (Another "uniforms" fetish.) "Oh" was cheerleaders. "Run Devil Run" was good-girl-gone-bad. (Because they went from sweet cheerleaders to dark, sexy succubi.) "Hoot" was secret agents. "Mr. Taxi" was taxi drivers. (Yet another "uniforms" fetish.)

Don't believe me? Let's see how many of these concepts have an equivalent "Sexy Halloween Costume" available: Schoolgirl? Check. Young girl? Check. Doll? Check. Naval Officer? Check. Cheerleader? Check. Succubi? Check. Secret agent? Check. Taxi driver? Check.

I literally cannot put a fetish name on any of 2NE1's concepts. Nor 4minute. Nor Secret. Nor Brown Eyed Girls, BoA, Brave Girls, f(x), etc. After School? SOME concepts, yes. Girls' Day? SOME concepts, yes. Rania? Not really, but to be fair I suppose being super sexy in general could be a fetish.

Again, I would not have a problem with the fetish-concepts if fans would just own up to it. You Sones have to understand that saying to a STANDer or otherwise anti-fan that "SNSD isn't viewed as sexy" is a huge insult to us. They are so blatantly using their sex appeal that it's like you think we're really so stupid that just 'cause you say they're not, we won't notice and just believe you. It is SO obvious, even to people that do not follow KPOP.

Don't believe me about that last bit? Here's a fun little anecdote: I was doing a paper for Human Sexuality and Culture about female body image. In order to get a better idea of what people I knew thought about body image, I sent my friends 10 pictures ranging from ridiculously thin women to very big women. A picture of SNSD was included, this picture in fact:

My friend wrote this about the picture:
They look too young to be sexualized by wearing heels. They seem to be willfully trying to please men, which disgusts me. 

When I told her that they were our age, if not older, she was shocked. She was not the only one; 3 other girls I had to interview as part of the paper did not guess that SNSD was in their 20's. The youngest guess I got was 13-14 years of age.

What I'm trying to say here is that it is just RIDICULOUSLY OBVIOUS that they are utilizing sex appeal while pretending not to. A lot of STANDers and antis in general would be appeased if Sones would just acknowledge that this is true! And yet instead we see Sones try to act like they have never, EVER, seen SNSD as sexual objects. Gee because the first thing that definitely comes to mind when I see women in heavily altered naval officer outfits is, "Wow, they are so creative with their concept! This is definitely not something I would see in Spencer's as a slutty costume!" [/sarcasm]

Another thing that I personally have an issue with when it comes to Sones are the way in which they "argue" over the internet with STANDers and antis. I could say something as simple as, "Wow, I really don't get the cowboy thing in this teaser. Out-of-place, much?" And I'd get a bunch of comments back talking about how I'm "just jealous."

Of what? Having to act like a fake version of yourself 24/7 so you don't ruin your image? (*cough*Yuri not being allowed to do kkap anymore?*cough*) Fainting from exhaustion? (*cough*Sunny in Japan?*cough*) Hanging out with male idols? (Yes, yes, because their busy schedule gives them so much time to hang out. Besides that, they've only done ONE sets of commercials with DBSK, my personal favorite male idol group. To be honest with you Diane, I'm not worried.) Having a body that's the result of not eating right and not getting enough rest? Nope. I'm pretty sure THEY'D be jealous of ME being able to eat what I like and sleep as long as I want. xD

My point here is a lot of Sones don't even try to give us a decent argument back. And that's insulting, you know? If you're going to be an asshat, at least take the time to make a legitimate, substantial argument. It may be the future law student in me but I just cannot stand when people don't bother to try to be smart when they argue with me. It's like, "Wow, I can really see how much you respect my opinion when you just shit on it with your thoughtless comments."

Furthermore, you guys will literally seek us out to attack us. I know for a fact that I have had people, MONTHS after I posted a comment on a Youtube video, attacking me for what I said. Additionally, there was a recent raid on the STAND forum, which resulted in a permanent closing of registration. Really? Really?

Let me tell you a secret, Sones: I have an account on Soshified.

And you know what else? I haven't made a single post there, because I only went to learn. Like any normal person, when something confused me or made me curious, I went looking for information. In this case, I wanted to find out of Sones were as crazy on their forums as they could be in Allkpop or Youtube comments. (And some of you are, even when you're not arguing with a STANDer or anti.)


I know that there are antis out there who are not as civil as I am. I know that not all antis go to STAND and STAND only to voice their frustrations. I'm not here to point fingers and say that you Sones need to stop getting your panties in a wad over antis, but I am here to say that you guys really, REALLY need to learn the difference between a troll, a "hater," and an intelligent person who just wants to voice their opinion.

A troll will say shit like a Sone said in the STAND raid: "I think SNSD should change their color to red. Cassies don't need it because DBSK doesn't even exist anymore."

A hater will say shit like: "Are you guys doing so badly in life to a point such that you have to resort to putting others down to make yourself feel better?"

(This person also went on to say that we STANDers need anger management, which I lol'd hard at because part of anger management is talking to a therapist about your problems to simply "let out" the anger. Which, by talking to others who share our opinion, we're already doing. Lol.)

An intelligent person who wants to voice their opinion will say something like this: "Wow, I really don't get the cowboy thing in this teaser. Out-of-place, much?"

Then of course some of you are just. plain. creepy. From going into Soshified, I found a thread that literally lists Hyoyeon-related definitions, one of which being this:

"Hyogoodies - Hyoyeon's piercings, Hyoyeon's abs, Hyoyeon's muscles, Hyoyeon's dead skin cells, Hyoyeon's, molar tooth, Hyoyeon's bellybutton hole, Hyoyeon's nails, Hyoyeon's hair follicle--you get the gist. Anything that's attatched to her sexiness is a Hyogoodie"

...dead skin cells. Hair follicle. WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN.

Then there's ANOTHER thread completely dedicated to pointing out where Taeyeon has moles. And ANOTHER thread dedicated to noticing trends in how Jessica stands. Do you realize how creepy this is? I've also been part of Yunho-sshi.com's Forums for years and I've never seen anything this creepy. There's like one topic about his moobs and whether or not you like/dislike them, but that's because it's something he 'fessed up to a while ago. We don't go around analyzing how his posture is, what his "bellybutton hole" looks like, or how many moles he has all over his body.

Furthermore, on another forum, Sones have threads dedicated to posting up pictures of SNSD's chest, butt, legs, and stomachs. Again: what is this I don't even. I'll cite Yunho-sshi.com again: we most certainly do not have "Yunho's moobs, Yunho's crotch, Yunho's butt, Yunho's abs" threads. Sexuality is a normal thing but omg. Some things you should keep to yourself, at risk of coming off as creepy.

In short:
STANDers (and probably other groups of antis) don't like Sones because:
o1. Sones turn play dumb when it comes to SNSD's sex appeal.
o2. Sones often resort to trollish posts in debates.
o3. Sones can be just plain creepy.
And in turn, we don't understand why all the weirdos flock to SNSD, and we don't understand why SNSD lets them. Hence, a dislike for SNSD-related things emerges because we don't want to be subjected to that tomfoolery and shenanigans.

Please note that this does not apply to all Sones. Some of you are probably very normal and friendly and whatnot. (I've just personally not met one yet.) To you, I implore you to help reign your fellows in because the rest of us cannot handle the nonsense.